hunger games au: last year was child’s play
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CAN I SCREAM THIS FROM THE ROOFTOPS
Because I’ve been thinking about all of this a lot lately, and I decided I should probably channel that thought into something.
It’s interesting that this post came across my dash today because I just rewatched The Search For Spock and I was actually going to make a post about how it portrays female characters compared to Reboot.
The Search For Spock (made in 1984, written by Gene Roddenberry and directed by Leonard Nimoy) does not pass the Bechdel Test. It is most definitely a movie about dudes, but (imo) what makes it so strikingly different from the Reboot franchise, is that while there are only a few female characters, they are not sexualized or objectified in any way. There are only two female characters of note - Uhura and Saavik - and both of them are Starfleet officers who wear uniforms identical to the male officers and both remain fully dressed at all times. (There is one female Klingon with a few minutes of screentime who wears a dress that shows quite a bit of cleavage, but the majority of her shots are framed from the neck up, so it doesn’t come across as a gratuitous male gaze thing. There is also a female Vulcan healer at the end who wears robes nearly identical to the male Vulcans, as well as a handful of female Starfleet officers here and there wearing the same uniform as the men.)
There’s a scene with McCoy in one of those shady intergalactic bars popular in space movies, which feels like the perfect opportunity for a bunch of half naked exotic lady aliens with five breasts or whatever, but there is no noticeable difference in how the female background characters are dressed compared to the male characters. The waitress is dressed in a spandex outfit, but like the Klingon in the beginning, her speaking shot is framed from the neck up, and McCoy does not flirt with her or make any comments about her appearance.
So while this film does not pass the Bechdel Test, it doesn’t give me any skeevy feelings wrt the portrayal of female characters. The film is about the lengths that Kirk (and secondarily, the rest of the Enterprise crew) will go to in order to save Spock, and that’s the focus of nearly every scene. For all his reputation as a ladies man or a playboy, Kirk does not flirt with any women or make any sexualized comments about women in the entire film. In fact, I don’t think there is a single gendered or sexualized comment made by anyone, and the only relationship that gets any significant attention is the one between Kirk and Spock.
The Search For Spock does not achieve the equal gender representation that Gene Roddenberry talked about, but the women who are in the film serve roles equal to the men and are not depicted as objects of desire. Uhura is awesome in this film and I desperately wish she had more scenes, but her supporting role is equal to that of Sulu, Scotty, and Chekhov. She gets her moment to be the hero, and it’s not sexualized in any way. Saavik intervenes when the shell-of-Spock is going through pon farr, but it’s not remotely sexual, which is actually pretty amazing when you consider what pon farr is all about. She remains fully dressed, and the scene is one of grim determination rather than sexytimes. I’m pretty sure JJ Abrams’ version of fuck-or-die would not be two fully clothed people awkwardly touching fingers while keeping as much distance as Vulcanly possible between their bodies.
So yeah, needs more ladies, but the ladies who are in this film are not sexualized and serve similar purposes to the male supporting characters. The women are not depicted as objects of desire to either the male characters or the audience, and the only character who gets (sort of) fridged is a man. This is such a perfect example of why JJ Abrams is an idiot for throwing in gratuitous scantily clad ladies in order to appeal to the “rather large male fanbase”: The Search For Spock did not objectify women, and yet somehow the Star Trek franchise continued on for seven more films and four television series before the Reboot. Imagine that. It’s possible to make a film about all those dicks on the Enterprise without being a giant dick yourself.
“We just figured that would be a great reference, and we loved that Kirk didn’t remember her,” says Orci. “It’s an in-joke that also speaks volumes about his character when it comes to women. That’s why we used it.”
I HATE THIS KIND OF SHIT FROM THE REBOOT MOVIES, KIRK IS NOT AN OVERSEXED ASSHOLE OKAY WHEN HE MEETS PEOPLE HE CARES ABOUT PEOPLE, TOS KIRK IS A LADY-KILLER YEAH BUT HE GENUINELY ENJOYS THEIR COMPANY AND THINKS ON THEIR TIME TOGETHER FONDLY, KIRK ISN’T A DOUCHEBAG OKAY BOB ORCI GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD
The fact that he forgot A MEMBER OF HIS OWN CREW is just another level to me.
# Can we as the fandom collectively agree that THIS DID NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN? # Don’t get me wrong. # We all make mistakes when we’re younger and some of us sleep we people we shouldn’t. # But this was a crew member # someone who worked with McCoy # who (we can deduce) applied for a transfer because of the way Kirk treated her. # It’s not funny. # It’s completely out of touch with Roddenberry’s vision for Trek. # Remember what Kirk said in ‘The Naked Time’? # Because I do. # He said to Spock # ’You’re allowed to notice her. The Captain’s not permitted.’ # And I don’t want to hear that AOS Kirk is 1) young and 2) grew up without a father. # This was not not not in the spirit of his character and I refuse to accept that it happened. # rant # star trek into darkness # I forgot how much this movie pissed me off
(tags from museaway)
I’m on board with this idea. I actually just assumed that Chapel was at the academy or something at the time because it didn’t occur to me to think of Kirk fooling around with his crew, but now that it’s been suggested, I’m pissed again. I want to lock Abrams and company into a small room and make them watch the original series. We can even pause after each scene that proves Jim Kirk is not the asshole they want him to be.
McCoy addresses her in STXI (He calls to her off screen, “Nurse Chapel”) so I have always assumed she’s the same age and probably served with them, hence the line about her being “much happier” on the other ship. I forget its name. I hate this movie.
Everyone has made such great points regarding these characters and how they are portrayed and I agree completely. So I’d like to take a moment and talk about the actors.
In the first movie the film makers chose to honor the original cast members that had passed - DeForest Kelley, aka Leonard McCoy and James Doohan aka Montgomery Scott.
They did this with James Doohan’s son dressed as an engineer and having a cameo with the ‘new’ Scotty, and by hiring Karl Urban to play McCoy. (if you think his portrayal of McCoy was anything but a love letter to Deforest and McCoy, you are wrong. Leonard Nimoy says so) Both Karl and Simon have spoken very positively and graciously about their predecessors.
Majel Barrett-Roddenberry, the actress that played Christine Chapel died prior to the release of the reboot, but after it had been filmed. Because of the timing I was ok with her not being recognized or honored the way DeForest Kelley and James Doohan had. There was always the next movie right?
This is how they choose to ‘honor’ Majel Barrett-Roddenberry.
And this is not an attempt to take anything away from DeForest Kelley and James Doohan, or to down play their contributions to their iconic roles. They each played their character over many, many years and over several series- in TOS, TAS, movies and each had an episode of ST:TNG. But I would just like to point out a few things about Majel Barrett-Roddenberry.
Copy/pasted from memory alpha:
Barrett was the only performer to have had a role on all of the Star Trek series – usually not as a character but as the voice of the various computers used throughout the series. She also supplied the voice of the Enterprise computer in five of the Star Trek films- spanning all three film series (Original Series, The Next Generation Series, and the Alternate Reality Series).
Her most frequent portrayal in Star Trek, besides the computer, was that of Nurse (later Doctor) Christine Chapel on Star Trek: The Original Series, Star Trek: The Animated Series, and in two of the films. She also voiced M’Ress and several other characters on The Animated Series and later played Betazoid Ambassador Lwaxana Troi on Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Her first filmed appearance was in Star Trek: The Original Series pilot episode “The Cage” as Number One.
So to sum up:
Series that she performed in: every fucking one
Characters she played:
- Only the voice of every federation Computer (that’s all…)
- Number One
- Christine Chapel
- Lwaxana Troi (daughter of the Fifth House of Betazed, the Holder of the Sacred Chalice of Rixx, and Heir to the Holy Rings of Betazed)
And the best (only) way they could think to honor Majel was this.
Really? This is the best they could do?
Fuck them for ‘honoring’ “The First Lady of Star Trek” like this.
Prepare yourselves for a lil Star Trek spam, guys, basically there’s some real shit going down in the Star Trek fandom in the form of Bob Orci.
Bob Orci is a screenwriter commonly associated with Alex Kurtzman and JJ Abrams, and is notorious for being a real A-hole to fans. Like,…
NO BUT WHAT IF
Kirk made Spock promise that he would keep living after his death.
And Spock hates that promise but he does it anyways, he does it for Jim. For a over a hundred years he scrapes himself together and tries to be happy, even when the last of his friends are…
Melissa May - “Dear Ursula” (WoWPS 2014)
"You, big lady, were the only Disney character who ever looked like me. And while you may not have had the waist line of a princess, I’ll be goddamned if you didn’t have the swagger of a queen."
Performing during prelims at the 2014 Women of the World Poetry Slam. Melissa placed 7th overall in the tournament.
it’s been a while since a poem has actually made me break down sobbing.
I am posting this on every social media website I can.
Thank you, just thank you
It is not that Spock is a prude. Perhaps he has had intimate encounters with boys and girls his own age when he was younger. But he’s always been an oddball. A freak. And those fumbling are more experiment than exploration. There is no warmth or gentle affection pulsing…
Notice how if we were to stop arguing about who’s right or wrong we could pretty much change the world.
History according to Tumblr.
I’M CRYING I’M IN HYSTERICS I DON’T THINK I’LL EVER RECOVER THIS MEANS I CANNOT GO TO COLLEGE ON WEDNESDAY THANK YOU
Putting this on my main blog because I know everyone loves history as much as I do and needs to laugh.
I think this just gets funnier every time I see it.